Amazon is known to have a terrible work culture, and I just saw this show up on LinkedIn. This person went from promotion to PIP (Performance Improvement Plan) in 3 months after a manager change due to re-org.

This is not uncommon, things like that have happened to me as well. Is there anything that can be done to remedy this or should "free markets" decide (if work culture is bad, people will leave on their own so companies are forced to improve to the right level). Or are employees treated badly a human rights issue and they are real victims with no recourse? Which side do you fall?

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ni-luo-086219110_promo-to-pip-in-3-months-at-amazon-activity-7259767301061632000-IUcx/

The story is blowing up and someone named the manager who deleted her Linkedin profile.

Hmm. If all is really as she says, and is leaving, she has nothing to lose trying to bring it to Bezo's own attention. Especially if a systemic thing that repeats. Since he is in mood to make changes and improvements -- who knows, might get results.

I'm a software engineer and have been at my company for 4 years. Seems like this lady got a bad manager. And she dislikes the PIP culture.

And when she got attention publicly, maybe she retreated into focusing on the PIP culture. Less personal.

Just my initial take without knowing anything except what I just read.

Working there seems soul crushing. I worked at a certain place in CS in college. It was what I imagine was early Amazon type employee management.

I'm guessing she didn't feel like it was so terrible when she was getting all those RSU's. Amazon has a rough culture and they pay very well. No shortage of folks trying to work there either.

TheCougarHunter said:

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As someone who works there, there is definitely more to the story here. You have to be pretty bad at your job to get on a PIP and if you don't make it through the PIP successfully you get a nice going away package.

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How can you go from a promotion to PIP in just 3 months unless there was some targeting done? I am assuming she isn't lying about it.

Since you are at AMZN you may know more about this.

backintexas2013 said:

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People can go get another job

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I think the most recent administration said "learn to code" right?!?

The story is blowing up and someone named the manager in the comments who deleted her Linkedin profile.

backintexas2013 said:

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People can go get another job

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Should they eat Cake too?

Aggie4Life02 said:

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Companies don't exist to provide people with jobs.

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Oh? And which banks got the taxpayer bailouts in 2008?

What will you say when Intel might get a bailout or some sort of "too big to fail" help?

You seem to be very clueless about the real world beyond the talking points you hear on TV


US government mulls Intel bail out
https://www.fudzilla.com/news/60022-us-government-mulls-intel-bail-out


US government considering cash infusions, AMD merger to help struggling Intel
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/us-government-considering-cash-infusions-amd-merger-to-help-struggling-intel/ar-AA1tvCn2

infinity ag said:

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TheCougarHunter said:

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As someone who works there, there is definitely more to the story here. You have to be pretty bad at your job to get on a PIP and if you don't make it through the PIP successfully you get a nice going away package.

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How can you go from a promotion to PIP in just 3 months unless there was some targeting done? I am assuming she isn't lying about it.

Since you are at AMZN you may know more about this.

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Amazon's culture s absolutely brutal. Maybe it used to be better but currently it's awful. Got hired during their remote push and stayed two years. My manager was good overall but it felt like a dog eat dog world. Glad I left when I did especially with their forced RTO with basically no exceptions for people they hired fully remote and making them move. AKA basically just an action to force people to quit.

Inconsistent management practices.

A lot of he said / she said in most job separations. Easier to just look in the mirror for solutions vs blame others. I'd be spending my complaint time getting prepped for next career steps if I were her. Horrible managers in big cos are a dime a dozen.

Reynolds & Reynolds?

After speaking with former Amazon employees they get paid a pretty penny but Amazon expects a lot out of you. Lots of hours, aggressive performance requirements, and rightfully so since so many people would love to have the pay and benefits they offer. It is not for everyone and people need to realize that. When you work for these large companies at the macro level you are just another number.

You can't miss meetings and expect everything to be okay. You also don't air out dirty laundry and expect good things to happen.

Just wanted to mirror what others have said. My current VP has been in his position 2-3 years now, came from outside the company. He learned quickly how much b.s. the mid-managers had been allowed to get away with under the previous VP, including the annual reviews. Program Managers would fall way short of their revenue goals yet recommend all of their direct report employees for an "Exceeds Expectations" rating, lol.

When new managers move in A) its typically because the old manager wasn't doing a good job, and B) it often involves cleaning up the staff.

PIPs are typically a very last resort for any manager.

So …

She she needs a sitter to work from home?

What about the Chairman?

A lot of bad takes in a row here. First, this one:

infinity ag said:

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How can you go from a promotion to PIP in just 3 months unless there was some targeting done? I am assuming she isn't lying about it.

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That's a huge assumption. I've had more than a few experiences with employees lying. In one especially egregious case, an employee cursed me out in a performance review with his manager who asked that I call the meeting. Before things got heated, I sent him home and fired him the next day. He filed UE for termination without cause and told them I was the one who cursed him out. Luckily I had witnesses, but he still got the UE claim. Because of this, I now record all of these types of interactions. And if this is news to you, people who don't manage or employ others typically will side with the employee regardless of the circumstances…#believeallwomen ring a bell?

infinity ag said:

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Should they eat Cake too?

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This is just a ridiculous analogy and doesn't even fit the situation. The quote is attributed to a government person out of touch with their constituents. Nobody has a right to a job, especially in the private sector where private resources are deployed.

infinity ag said:

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Oh? And which banks got the taxpayer bailouts in 2008?

What will you say when Intel might get a bailout or some sort of "too big to fail" help?

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I don't think you'll find anyone in here who agrees with all the govt bailouts so I'm not sure what your point is here. If you believe in private property rights, then the employer should have every right to determine how THEIR resources are deployed. IME, finding and training good employees was probably the most difficult thing I ever had to deal with as a business owner. I can assure you, most employers are not "targeting" good employees to harass/terminate.

What are you suggesting with all of this?

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infinity ag said:

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backintexas2013 said:

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People can go get another job

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Should they eat Cake too?

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Mean corporations need to give people anything they want! HUMAN RIGHTS!!!

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As long as they don't TAKE from the people and BEG for bailouts and TAX BREAKS.

tylercsbn9 said:

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infinity ag said:

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TheCougarHunter said:

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As someone who works there, there is definitely more to the story here. You have to be pretty bad at your job to get on a PIP and if you don't make it through the PIP successfully you get a nice going away package.

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How can you go from a promotion to PIP in just 3 months unless there was some targeting done? I am assuming she isn't lying about it.

Since you are at AMZN you may know more about this.

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Amazon's culture s absolutely brutal. Maybe it used to be better but currently it's awful. Got hired during their remote push and stayed two years. My manager was good overall but it felt like a dog eat dog world. Glad I left when I did especially with their forced RTO with basically no exceptions for people they hired fully remote and making them move. AKA basically just an action to force people to quit.

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I interviewed with them at least 3 times including one where they called me to Seattle. I did not get the job in all cases. I found one interviewer to be an a-hole who kept repeating the same question in different ways and making faces every time. F him. The hiring manager lady was nice though.

I might have dodged a bullet. I read more on Linkedin and it's horrifying. I have been very unlucky with managers and I am sure I would have gotten Adolf Hitler or Osama bin Laden to work for. Just my BAS.

I'm always amazed by people that boot lick corporations, they're as bad as the government in many ways

Backyard Gator said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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I'm pretty careful with my LinkedIn profile. I've felt disgruntled quite a bit over the years, like anyone else. But I'd never put this kind of stuff out there.

She's begging for companies to ignore her applications going forward

Career suicide at such a young age.

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Implying "I'm being targeted because I'm a Chinese woman" is going to cause a lot of HR people to toss her application. Hiring her is like hiring a headache.

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Don't think anyone will remember after 3 weeks. As long as she has a good lie to tell about why she left. No one cares, things move on.