https://www.thecatholictelegraph.com/vatican-nixes-use-of-co-redemptrix-mediatrix-as-titles-for-mary/102874

The Vatican's doctrinal office said Tuesday the titles of "Co-Redemptrix" and "Mediatrix" are not appropriate ways to describe Mary's participation in salvation.

I'm a convert to Catholicism from Baptist. I read my way into Church and paid special attention to Mary because I had to be sure I could swing that and believe it fully.

I'm about as traditional as they come and I'm OK with the Co-Redemptrix title being dropped. I understand what it means but frankly, almost everyone, outside of super trad circles and theologians, immediately balk at that title. It really only means that she works with our Lord in a special way. We can all be a co-redemptor with God by being a missionary, for instance. She gets the title, however, because she has a very unique role with the Savior that other do not have.

It's a mis-understaning minefield.

I actually asked this question to Charles Coulombe on the "Off The Menu" podcast a few years ago. He does a great job explaining it but not everyone is that good at explaining.

It's actually very beautiful.

Sorry, but there can be no excuse giving Mary that type of position of honor. Catholics often deride Protestants for their lack of sophistication, but no amount of sophisticated manipulation of theology can justify the use of a term such as co-redemtrix or the like.

Little Rock Ag said:

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Sorry, but there can be no excuse giving Mary that type of position of honor. Catholics often deride Protestants for their lack of sophistication, but no amount of sophisticated manipulation of theology can justify the use of a term such as co-redemtrix or the like.

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It's absolutely reasonable. The reason they're dropping it is to avoid confusion not because it's incorrect.

10andBOUNCE said:

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What does that mean?

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That a lengthy explanation is needed to properly understand the titles. Which I feel is ridiculous considering that the doctrine of Transubstantiation requires a working knowledge of Aristotelian metaphysics yet that's never stopped us before.

Every honor of Mary is due to her singular role in bearing salvation to the world. Her souls truly magnifies the Lord.

Much like her sinlessness, it is all due to Christ. Any honor we bestow on Mary is due to her status as the Theorokos. She is co-redemptrix because through womb redemption came to the world. She is Mediatrix of all graces, because by her Fiat she conceived Christ, who restored the flow of Grace to creation. Apparently the good Cardinal Tucho thinks that's too much nuance.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Little Rock Ag said:

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Sorry, but there can be no excuse giving Mary that type of position of honor. Catholics often deride Protestants for their lack of sophistication, but no amount of sophisticated manipulation of theology can justify the use of a term such as co-redemtrix or the like.

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If you've ever been to a Mother's Day Mass the parade of the faithful parading to the statue of Mary while holding roses and repeating about fifty different names for her tells you everything you need to know about Mary's unscriptural elevated status.

It had a very cult like feel.

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Yes, a cult of greater than a quarter of the world's population; that posts its sinister secret ceremonies on the internet and in pamphlets, and follows them up with coffee and donuts.